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Post by St. Louis Sting on Nov 16, 2022 11:09:10 GMT -5
Want to gauge everyone's thoughts on writing a stipulation into the rules against trading players that are on expired UFA contracts after their sport's season has concluded. These players have no chance to provide any performance value to the acquiring team and are shifted solely for payroll acrobatics. Although it hasn't happened to this point, a team could theoretically move players on expired contracts after each sport ends and run with a near infinite salary cap.
Trading of expired RFA contracts would still be allowed, even if the player in question is highly unlikely to receive a Qualifying Offer because there is at least a chance that player provides some value.
Please feel free to discuss
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Post by Las Vegas Strips on Nov 16, 2022 11:13:03 GMT -5
I am in favor of this being added to the rules.
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Post by BallSoHard Univ. on Nov 16, 2022 11:16:21 GMT -5
I mean if I’m trading a guy who’s on his last yr I think (imo) I should have first rights to decide if I want to sign him or not wether he’s a UFA/RFA, that’s just my take
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Post by Buffalo Wings on Nov 16, 2022 11:16:42 GMT -5
Agree, that UFA contracts should not be allowed to be moved during the off-season of that sport as it adds no value to the receiving the player, unless something else is included.
To save headaches, probably better to just disallow...period and not create gray areas.
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Post by Las Vegas Strips on Nov 16, 2022 11:24:49 GMT -5
I mean if I’m trading a guy who’s on his last yr I think (imo) I should have first rights to decide if I want to sign him or not wether he’s a UFA/RFA, that’s just my take He's saying if the player is UFA the following season...you cannot trade him after that season ends. The example is my last trade, where I traded for Liam Hendricks, who is UFA in '23 and the baseball season is over.... |
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Post by BallSoHard Univ. on Nov 16, 2022 11:34:05 GMT -5
Got it, carry on
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Post by Pensacola Pelicans on Nov 16, 2022 11:55:01 GMT -5
Moving Liam Hendricks $14 to gain a little cap space was part of the value I got in return for giving up a 2nd round draft pick. This wasn't simply dumping $s.
It could, of course, be abused, so I'm ok with adding to the rule. Or . . .
Should UFA contracts come off the books immediately following the season? Their contract has ended. Aren't they a FA at that point anyway? Isn't that how MLB, NFL, etc. do things?
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Post by St. Louis Sting on Nov 16, 2022 12:19:36 GMT -5
Should UFA contracts come off the books immediately following the season? Their contract has ended. Aren't they a FA at that point anyway? Isn't that how MLB, NFL, etc. do things? I have thought about this in the past, but realized that immediately switching payrolls over when each sport ends would create huge influxes of available cap space in the middle of another sport. During the summer, when MLB is the only active sport and UFA contracts for NFL/NHL/NBA are off the books, essentially every franchise could run a max payroll MLB team knowing that all UFA contracts will fall off right when the MLB season ends and NHL/NBA free agency opens. As it stands now, the NFL/NBA/NHL payrolls switch to the upcoming season just after our MLB trade deadline and the MLB payroll switches after the NFL/NBA/NHL trade deadlines. This keeps teams from being able to make trades for high-end players that they couldn't otherwise afford so better season-long (and multi-sport) budgeting is necessary. |
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Post by Norwich Nemesis on Nov 16, 2022 12:19:37 GMT -5
I actually asked whether this was allowed in a message to Andrew about a week ago now as I wasn't sure (couldn't remember) if this was allowed or not. His reply was it wasn't technically against any rules but that you should probably refrain from including players who return no value in any deal. I tend to agree. I don't think we should be trading expiring UFAs that hold no value. As a side note; as this is not rule as of right now, the trade that triggered the conversation absolutely has to stand, but I don't think there's any issue in that respect, but just saying.  |
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Post by St. Louis Sting on Nov 16, 2022 12:56:37 GMT -5
To be clear, this trade would absolutely stand (I've actually already processed it) and no rule has been broken. Just trying to make improvements for the future
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Post by London Canucks on Nov 16, 2022 17:31:02 GMT -5
I think it should be added to the rule book.
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Post by DC Patriots on Nov 17, 2022 2:27:34 GMT -5
I am on the opposite end of this. I do not concur with this as a rule change. I feel like we make a lot of trades for "payroll acrobatics" and attaching a draft pick or prospect to an expired contract to create flexibility in another sport is part of the manager's toolkit in trying to win across four sports. I would concur you can't drop a contract after a sport is complete, but this isn't eliminating existing salary, it is transferring it to a different team.
I'm clearly outnumbered on this one, but I don't believe we should eliminate this as an option on the path ahead.
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Post by Clayhounds Dawgs on Nov 17, 2022 13:49:32 GMT -5
The way I look at this UFA, once the season is over you dont have a contract anymore. You can't trade someone who doesn't have a contract (IT's PAID IN FULL). If this was just a one sport league it makes sense and that the way you have to look at this. I don't have any issues with there not being a rule, it's just a given to me. Good that it was brought up tho.
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Post by DC Patriots on Nov 17, 2022 13:51:53 GMT -5
If there isn't a contract anymore, the money should come off
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Post by Buffalo Wings on Nov 17, 2022 14:05:12 GMT -5
I would prefer the contract and players comes off...and manager has to beware of the league salary cap and not put themselves in Cap Hell.
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